WASHINGTON - The Earth is the hottest it has been in at least 400 years, probably even longer. The National Academy of Sciences, reaching that conclusion in a broad review of scientific work requested by Congress, reported Thursday that the "recent warmth is unprecedented for at least the last 400 years and potentially the last several millennia."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...2/ap_on_sc/global_warming

Thoughts? The National Academy of Sciences isn't exactly a wing-nut liberal group....

and yet its 60 and overcast in Seattle today......

Its 63 in Seattle right now with a projected high of 70 which is average for June. The weather in one particular area of the world is really irrelevant to overall global temperature...

do you really presume to think the race that youre a part of (human) could POSSIBLY change this planet's base temp, even if it tried?! thats a bit egocentric, wouldnt you say? humans have tried their best to tame their environment over the eons, to no avail. witness floods that break dikes (which are intended to hold waters at bay), the utter abortion that a city becomes with just an inch of snow (maybe we could build a dome?), and rich peoples' houses that fall off cliffs due to the inexorable progress of erosion.

of course there is a chance that we have a small affect on global climate, but wouldnt you say a far more logical conclusion would be the age-old climatic cycles that the earth has ALWAYS endured?

the worst movie of all time was this one made for TV that attempted to foist the idea that with a certain series of events the earth could be plunged into an ice age within a couple years or less. do these people think im a tard? i meet enough of those at the poker tables.

go hug a tree.

Proven to be humans doing huh... proven how?

I see lots of "it's thought that" in the link you provided. Like "It is currently thought that the effect of global dimming is probably due to the increased presence of aerosol particles in the atmosphere."

Not really proven there. Also scientists report varying results - none of which are consistent anywhere. They then go on to say the "dimming" effect has decreased since 1990.

Global Dimming, Global Warming. It seems that people always have to have a cause to argue about. Some treat it like a religion. Most seem to agree that the earth may be warming. However it makes for great fun to debate what the cause might be. Especially if you don't like driving behind giant SUV's.

Very much agree with you there K. It always irritates the hell out of me to see people leaving a mess behind. To be completely honest though, it irritates me because it looks bad. Rarely to people really take care of what they have, or show consideration for community property - thinking it's not their responsibility.

However I also generally get annoyed with labels. Label's tend to catagorize people into a set mode of thinking, and doesn't really encourage one to have an open mind. I'd expect anyone to clean up after themself, regardless of their political outlook.

do you really presume to think the race that youre a part of (human) could POSSIBLY change this planet's base temp, even if it tried?! thats a bit egocentric, wouldnt you say?

not really. we have the ability to destroy acres and acres of the rainforest every day. that's not egocentric, it's a fact. we have the ability to blow up mountains and melt an entire population with a simple bomb drop. why does it seem unfathomable that we can increase the surface temperature by 0.005 degrees per annum?



humans have tried their best to tame their environment over the eons, to no avail.

I guess you've never been to vegas...


witness floods that break dikes (which are intended to hold waters at bay),

witness the hoover dam...

the utter abortion that a city becomes with just an inch of snow (maybe we could build a dome?),

i've golfed inside a dome in wininpeg manitoba. it was toasty in the middle of winter. good thinking. but it's been done.



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do you really presume to think the race that youre a part of (human) could POSSIBLY change this planet's base temp, even if it tried?! thats a bit egocentric, wouldnt you say? humans have tried their best to tame their environment over the eons, to no avail. witness floods that break dikes (which are intended to hold waters at bay), the utter abortion that a city becomes with just an inch of snow (maybe we could build a dome?), and rich peoples' houses that fall off cliffs due to the inexorable progress of erosion

Yet the dumbest kid in biology class knows the concept of trees absorbing CO².

Maybe a mildly informed adult would know CO² does have a heat-insulating effect when tested inside a lab glass sphere.

But only a bank-hugging, money-licking individual would not know deforestation of the US and Europe is now at 80%, the Amazons are in the process of getting destroyed, and plankton (the water forest) is dying due to raw sewage being pumped into the oceans.

it is my firm belief that the global warming scare was something put out to help the europeans overcome the 'green' objection to increasing nuclear power capability.....

just thought i would throw that out there....

i even noticed president bush saying something similar recently. perhaps tony blair let him in on the european strategy.

you have to admit.....any decrease in O-2 emission means less reliance on arab oil......they really do have us over the barrel at the moment...and they know it.

people like sketchy are sketchy.

i think its time to go masturbate and destroy the ozone or something.

i wonder what banks have to do with any of this?!