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FACES OF LEBANESE DEATH

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	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 11:36:00 AM Saudi Arabia just pledged $1.5 Billion US to rebuild lebanon. $500 Million to rebuild infrastructure and $1B for their central bank to jumpstart their economy. i wonder how much of that will get to hezbollah? http://www.cbc.ca/story/w.../25/israel-airstrike.html
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/25/2006 11:38:00 AM how much has israel pledged again? quote: Ireland (the southern part) is like a province of Great Britain, no? i find it hard to believe that no one seems to have addressed this yet. no, ireland is a republic. it's an independent nation state that even withdrew from the commonwealth. it is anything but "like a province of great britain."
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 11:41:00 AM ok i get them mixed up sometimes. I couldnt remember which was which. Ireland should be one independant country
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/25/2006 11:47:00 AM a fascinating assertion. so why should ireland be one independent country but not palestine? why should protestants and catholics be forced to live together under one nation but not jews and arabs? and, lest i be presumed to be in some way biased in favour of protestants in the north, i ask this question as one whose grandfather used to send gobs of money to the ira in the 1930s and 1940s.
	londonkev Member (8774posts) 7/25/2006 12:51:00 PM ^jews do live with arabs.......in israel (and morocco and turkey). how much has hezbollah pledged to repair the damage it brought on israel? why the double standard?
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 1:11:00 PM a fascinating assertion. so why should ireland be one independent country but not palestine? I believe palestinians should have their own country as well. If the arabs had agreed to split the country in 1948 that the jews had agreed to do, we wouldnt even be discussing this now. In fact, the palestinians would have even more land than they do now
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 1:11:00 PM the palestinians now do have their own country, so this part of the discussion is moot.
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 1:13:00 PM but if youd care to discuss Ireland some more, I'd love to as well in its own thread, as im sure i'd learn more about the situation from all of you.
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/25/2006 1:18:00 PM quote: how much has hezbollah pledged to repair the damage the brought on israel? why the double standard? i'd be all for freezing and appropriating hezbollah bank accounts to effect repairs to areas damaged in israel by hezbollah rockets. as for the "double standard," hezbollah isn't a nation state, nor would its claims to be engaging in a "civilized" war with israel likely be taken seriously by anyone.
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/25/2006 1:21:00 PM quote: I believe palestinians should have their own country as well. If the arabs had agreed to split the country in 1948 that the jews had agreed to do, we wouldnt even be discussing this now. In fact, the palestinians would have even more land than they do now that's not what i asked. i asked if the entire island of ireland should be one unified country, why shouldn't the entire area of palestine and israel be one single country? as londonkev points out, jews and arabs live side by side in many north african countries- as well as western nations. why not in israel/palestine? quote: the palestinians now do have their own country, so this part of the discussion is moot. nor do protestants in northern ireland. the palestinians have limited self-rule. neither has their own country.
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 1:22:00 PM as if hezbollah would donate any monies to help rebuild Haifa. AS IF. They want to inflict as much damage as possible. I believe the US is good at taking money out of banks it doesnt deserve to have. wouldnt that be awesome if the US went into the hezbollah bank accounts and took as much as was needed to repair israel. haha! right back atcha hezzbollah!
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 1:26:00 PM that's not what i asked. i asked if the entire island of ireland should be one unified country, why shouldn't the entire area of palestine and israel be one single country? as londonkev points out, jews and arabs live side by side in many north african countries- as well as western nations. why not in israel/palestine Arabs have many countries governed by their religion already. The Jews only want one. The one they had originally. The jews need one country that arabs can not populate amongst themsleves and take over the govt eventually through proportionate representation. That proportionate representation is what the jews are trying to prevent by denying arabs access to their old homes. Life isnt always fair as the arabs good buddy hitler showed us all.
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 1:29:00 PM people get displaced, it isnt fair, but history is full of stories of people being displaced. guess what? they all got over it, as the jews did after 5000 years of persecution and eviction from almost every country you can name. now guess what? We finally have our own country back, and those who were there can live with it in peace, or fight and lose. what do you suppose they should do?
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/25/2006 1:33:00 PM quote: Arabs have many countries governed by their religion already. The Jews only want one. The one they had originally. The jews need one country that arabs can not populate amongst themsleves and take over the govt eventually through proportionate representation. but why would they need a country? if protestants don't need their own country to avoid becoming a minority in a unified ireland (which appears to be what you're saying), why would jews need their own country to avoid becoming a minority in a unified palestine/israel? what would be the consequences of that? another holocaust? quote: Life isnt always fair as the arabs good buddy hitler showed us all. no, it isn't. but the longer you hold THAT attitude and tell palestinians that they should simply accept the status quo because they "lost" in 1948 (a war that, like the lebanese today, the palestinians had little to no control over), you simply reinforce the idea that negotiation is not the way to achieve what they want to achieve (or at least an acceptable result) and that, instead, violence is.
	Shaggin Nightlife Industry (19350posts) 7/25/2006 1:38:00 PM quote: They have weapons that have a margin of error of about one meter. quote: The only explanation is that terrorists were hiding within the convoy. I definetly dont agree with it, and it is unfortunate. damn those sneaky Hezbollah terrorists, looks like they also hid amongst 4 UN observers at a UN observation post in Southern Lebanon
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 1:40:00 PM ^probably
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 1:40:00 PM why would jews need their own country to avoid becoming a minority in a unified palestine/israel? what would be the consequences of that? another holocaust? extinction
	mythos Member (24527posts) 7/25/2006 2:10:00 PM there are more jews living just fine in new york than there are in israel. you also have a huge population of them in LA, montreal and a decent size in vancouver. this is only in north america. there are a lot more in europe. this whole holocaust/extinction/unsafe card is overused.
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/25/2006 2:42:00 PM quote: extinction extinction? are jews being slaughtered in other arab countries that we don't know about? please shed some light on this extinction theory. in which parts of the world do jews even face greater discrimination than any other ethnic or religious minority, let alone the threat of extinction and, even if ethnic cleansing was being carried out, how would the existence of the state of israel prevent that, given israel's inability to absorb the 9 million jews living in the "diaspora?" http://www.jewishvirtuall...ource/Judaism/jewpop.html this is not to say that israel should be replaced by a unified secular state but to help you realize why, if you believe in one irish state under the republican banner, making protestants a minority in a reunified ireland, it seems counterintuitve to argue against the establishment of a secular, democratic state over what is now israel, the west bank, and gaza. surely there has to be a better rationale than "extinction," given the fact that jews don't even face "extinction" in iran, a state that is openly hostile (in rhetoric, certainly) to the state of israel.
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/25/2006 2:45:00 PM no, due to intermarriage. we need to encourage jews to marry other jews and have babies. as it stands, with population increases, jews are losing 55,000 members each year due to inter-faith marriages. Having a safe place to live like Israel, encourages jews to migrate there and meet someone special! there are agencies that will pay for your honeymoon in Israel if you are both jewish. Nice eh?
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/25/2006 2:47:00 PM what if jews don't want to marry other jews? it's called change. it happens.