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FACES OF LEBANESE DEATH

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	Gone2 Member (3584posts) 7/21/2006 6:27:00 AM And if that happens, I have the capacity to CRUSH YOU in the court. Omar. you are like every other terrorist lover out there. When you dont get your way you start threatening people. So sue me; a. you are a member of Hezbollah b. you killed John F. Kennedy c. you shot Ronald Regan d. you are a friend of Charlie Mansons e. You killed the Easter Bunny f. You sell heroin to kids g. You plotted the 9/11 bombings h. You killed Roger Rabbit i. You caused Hurrican Katrina j. You started world war 2 l. You invented the atomic bomb All these allegations have been made against you my terrorist friend. now SUE MY ASS OFF Threaten me again.....you sack of crap!
	MaxMillion Member (3291posts) 7/21/2006 6:36:00 AM ^ WOW .... listen to yourself! You're crazy, racist, and delusional slanderous pig. You ought to be banned permanently from this site.
	MaxMillion Member (3291posts) 7/21/2006 7:10:00 AM BBC video report detailing the Israeli-American cover story for mass murder of the innocent .... http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol...5196900/nb_rm_5196946.stm Report on devastation of Beirut ...... http://www.bbc.co.uk/medi...1&nol_storyid=5201268
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/21/2006 8:52:00 AM quote: Ok, since you have no ability to comprehend subtley lets talk like two miners in mid 1800s with no edumacation. He posts page after page after page of pictures of Lebanese casualities and none of Israelil kids blown to pieces in pizza parlors. lmao @ your "mastery" of the art of subtlety. the only thing you're a master of is hyperbole, histrionics, and slander. quote: And if that happens, I have the capacity to CRUSH YOU in the court. um, not really. the only thing that would potentially save you from a moderate damages award is the fact that most people reading these threads have no idea who omar really is, anyway. as for pictures of israeli victims: satisfied? p.s. the scorecard is still the same and you can find plenty more photos of israeli victims on the cover of the national post.
	brewcoke Member (2782posts) 7/21/2006 9:39:00 AM The scorecard is a reflection of Israel doing a better job at protecting their civilians. It is also a reflection of how irresponsible Hezbollah is for putting innocent Lebonese at risk. Hezbollah purposely positions themselves in heavily populated civilian areas knowing that if attacked innocent people will die. Another example of how Hezbollahd AND terrorists will use innocent people as weapons against a much stronger military force. For shame!
	_ThePhoenix_ Nightlife Industry (60000posts) 7/21/2006 9:43:00 AM can you say "GROUND WAR"?
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/21/2006 9:51:00 AM quote: Another example of how Hezbollahd AND terrorists will use innocent people as weapons against a much stronger military force. For shame! no one has argued that hezbollah's paramilitary actions aren't shameful. so hezbollah are irresponsible for putting innocent people at risk. that should pretty much go without saying. you're not really contributing anything with that statement since no one has posted a thread titled "hezbollah's actions are justified." you're the one arguing that there's nothing shameful about taking the bait and wiping out the infrastructure of an entire society, displacing hundreds of thousands, and killing at least ten times as many civilians as hezbollah has. if you killed my brother, would it be a "measured" response if i killed you, your entire family, and everyone who lived on your block?
	Shaggin Nightlife Industry (19350posts) 7/21/2006 9:55:00 AM yes...it would also be restrained, you could have gone to the next block as well
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/21/2006 10:02:00 AM touché.
	Klittmann DJ/Artist (3073posts) 7/21/2006 10:11:00 AM To paraphrase DickDiva: The battle of civilizations has begun. The U.S.' stunning success in Iraq has started an irreversible process of change in the Middle East. This is not a time for nuances. This is a time for black and white. Pick your side, there is no middle ground. You are either with us or against us...and so on.......
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/21/2006 10:14:00 AM the funniest thing is that, despite the stakes involved, he's "too busy" with other things to do his part in this "epic" struggle between good and evil. kinda like bush and cheney were "too busy" in the 1960s during the "epic" struggle between good and evil in vietnam, the loss of which ushered in the darkest hour of totalitarianism in human history, right bobby_bass?
	DickSS Promo Model (16767posts) 7/21/2006 2:03:00 PM it pleases me that the views expressed here against israel, while popular on cv, are marginalized in greater society support for israel is solid israel is justified in its actions against the terrorists
	brewcoke Member (2782posts) 7/21/2006 2:17:00 PM Dot, My statement was inline with my belief, which I thought was stated all too clearly, that the Lebanese casualties are higher because of Hezbollah's tactics. ". if you killed my brother, would it be a "measured" response if i killed you, your entire family, and everyone who lived on your block? " No, killing only me would be justified with your logic. But if your using that question to compare the Hezbollah kidnapping of Israeli soldiers your inaccurate. You should have stated that not only did I (I being Hezbollah) kill your brother (an Israeli), but have taken out other members of your family for the past 20 years, and oh yea, I despise your race and your house then it would be more accurate. I thought your responses to me would have improved since our last encounter, I am disappointed.
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/21/2006 2:47:00 PM quote: You should have stated that not only did I (I being Hezbollah) kill your brother (an Israeli), but have taken out other members of your family for the past 20 years, and oh yea, I despise your race and your house then it would be more accurate. actually, it wouldn't. the civilian casualty numbers over the entirety of the arab-israeli conflict are MASSIVELY one-sided. so what if you despise my house and my race and maybe killed one of my cousins ten years ago? how does that give me the right to kill the rest of your family and your neighbours? quote: My statement was inline with my belief, which I thought was stated all too clearly, that the Lebanese casualties are higher because of Hezbollah's tactics. no one is defending hezbollah's tactics. save that point for a thread titled "hezbollah attacks on israeli civilians are justified." the question is whether israeli attacks on lebanese civilians are justified in the context of what hezbollah has been doing to israel. the lebanese civilians caught in the middle are pawns. these are people who, for the most part, did not ask for hezbollah to come into their country and have very little ability to get rid of them, given the support hezbollah enjoys from syria. what you're suggesting is either: a. that israel is treating lebanese civilians more humanely than hezbollah is (notwithstanding that it is destroying lebanon in the process) because instead of using them as pawns, israel is merely killing civilians in the course of doing what it "HAS" to do; or b. the fact that hezbollah's actions warrant blame exonerates israel from ANY blame in its infliction of ten times the number of civilian casualties it has had inflicted on it. do you subscribe to the dickSS school of thought that israel should be free to take ANY action it deems necessary to root out hezbollah from southern lebanon (including, presumably, turning beirut into a crater with tactical nuclear strikes), notwithstanding the fact that, given past history, the likelihood of it successfully doing so is marginal at best?
	MaxMillion Member (3291posts) 7/21/2006 2:52:00 PM quote: no one is defending hezbollah's tactics. save that point for a thread titled "hezbollah attacks on israeli civilians are justified." the question is whether israeli attacks on lebanese civilians are justified in the context of what hezbollah has been doing to israel. the lebanese civilians caught in the middle are pawns. these are people who, for the most part, did not ask for hezbollah to come into their country and have very little ability to get rid of them, given the support hezbollah enjoys from syria. what you're suggesting is that israel is either: a. treating lebanese civilians more humanely than hezbollah is because instead of using them as pawns, israel is simply doing what it HAS to do by destroying the country they were trying to build; or b. the fact that hezbollah's actions warrant blame exonerates israel from any blame in its infliction of ten times the number of civilian casualties it has had inflicted on it. ^ thank you red_dot for the way you articulate your points so well. I wish I can write the way you do.
	MaxMillion Member (3291posts) 7/21/2006 2:53:00 PM here's a link that gives anyone a quick crash-course on Lebanon .... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/s.../456976/html/nn1page1.stm
	MaxMillion Member (3291posts) 7/21/2006 3:01:00 PM From the BBC In-Depth..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...d/middle_east/5180202.stm Q&A: Middle East crisis The Middle East has been plunged again into an escalating crisis. The BBC News website's Tarik Kafala looks at the key issues. How did the current crisis start? The Hezbollah raid into Israel, in which eight Israeli soldiers were killed and two were captured, was a stunning and provocative attack. Some have argued that Hezbollah wanted to test new Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who is an unknown quantity as far as military crises go. Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has said that the soldiers were captured to pressure Israel to release the thousands of Palestinian prisoners in its jails. The raid was clearly a gesture of solidarity towards the Palestinian militants in Gaza who have been holding an Israeli soldier since 25 June. Hezbollah may also have had an eye on its own situation in Lebanon where there has been increasing pressure for it to disarm. How has Israel reacted? The result of the raid is that Israel is fighting on two fronts. Israeli officials have cast the Hezbollah raid as an act of war and responded with air strikes, shelling and a sea blockade, threatening operations that will "turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years". The immediate aim seems to be, as in Gaza, to build up massive pressure on the Lebanese government and the Lebanese population. Civilian casualties in Lebanon have been high and the damage to civilian infrastructure wide-ranging. Thousands of foreigners have fled the country and there are increasing fears of a humanitarian catastrophe. The Israeli strikes on targets other than Hezbollah installations are at least in part punitive - power installations, roads and the international airport have been hit. ....... continued below........
	MaxMillion Member (3291posts) 7/21/2006 3:03:00 PM What can the Lebanese government do about the situation? Ordinary Lebanese civilians have been the main victims of the current crisis in terms of deaths and injuries. Thousands have become internal refugees, seeking safety in areas that are not being bombed by Israel. The country is dealing with a massive Israeli bombing campaign and a number of small land incursions. Since 2000, when Israel ended a 22-year occupation of the south, clashes on the border have been small affairs. Israel has made it absolutely clear that it holds the Lebanese government responsible for the kidnapping of its soldiers by Hezbollah. Many analysts see this as unfair. Even though Hezbollah is operating from Lebanese territory and the militant group has two ministers in the Lebanese government, central government is almost powerless to influence the militant group. It is the Hezbollah militia that is deployed in southern Lebanon, not the Lebanese army. The group is also very popular in Lebanon and highly respected for its political activities, social services and its military record against Israel. Most Lebanese may believe that Hezbollah's capture of the two Israeli soldiers is deeply irresponsible. There is anger that the country is again being pitched towards war, but this is unlikely to translate into widespread anger towards Hezbollah. Is there any way out of this crisis? Israeli officials have insisted that there will be no direct negotiation with Hezbollah or Hamas over the return of its soldiers, and no Palestinian prisoner releases. In the past, Israel has negotiated with Hezbollah and released hundreds of prisoners, but Israeli officials are now talking about a changed situation and new rules. In both Gaza and Lebanon, the Israeli military appears to be using the opportunity afforded by the crisis to damage Hezbollah and Hamas as military organisations. A few days into the crisis, Israel demanded the disarming of Hezbollah and deployment of the Lebanese army to the southern border with Israel as pre-conditions for a ceasefire. All sides are for now taking hardline positions, but it's difficult to see how the Israelis are going to get their soldiers back without some kind of ceasefire followed by negotiations that will almost certainly involve prisoner releases. ........continued below........
	MaxMillion Member (3291posts) 7/21/2006 3:04:00 PM Will the conflict spread? We're not yet at the stage of a regional conflict. Much will depend on whether Israel extends its military operations to take in Syria and Iran, Hezbollah's sponsors and supporters. Officials have already laid much of the blame for the escalating crisis on Damascus and Tehran. Iran and Syria are also the states that can influence Hezbollah more than anyone else. Inevitably the role of the US, in restraining Israel and pushing the various parties towards some kind of ceasefire may at some later date be crucial. The first signs of an international diplomatic intervention emerged when the UN's Kofi Annan and British PM Tony Blair called for the deployment of an international force in Lebanon. But this may be some way off, if it gets off the ground at all. It's widely believed that the Washington has given the Israelis a window in which to continue its bombardment of Lebanon and degrade Hezbollah's military capability. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice might be headed to the Middle East at the end of the week. Should this go ahead, it might signal that Washington is ready to put its weight behind attempts to achieve a ceasefire. Meanwhile, questions surrounding the disarmament of Hezbollah, as demanded by the UN Security Council, have been pushed way into the background for now. As are Mr Olmert's big plans for disengaging from parts of the West Bank. Are war crimes being committed in the current conflict? UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour has said that war crimes could have been committed in the current conflict. She said international law stressed the need to protect civilians, and insisted that there was an obligation on all parties to respect the "principle of proportionality". She was even-handed and did not name particular leaders, but suggested that some leaders might be considered personally responsible for the alleged war crimes. "Indiscriminate shelling of cities constitutes a foreseeable and unacceptable targeting of civilians. Similarly, the bombardment of sites with alleged military significance, but resulting invariably in the killing of innocent civilians, is unjustifiable," she said.
	old_red_dot Member (5861posts) 7/21/2006 3:38:00 PM everyone knows that louise arbour is just another french-canadian anti-semite, right londonkev? dragdiva? bueller? anyone?
	_sketchy_ Member (12691posts) 7/21/2006 5:58:00 PM I think people with no prejudices and with common sense agree with this statement: "Disproportionate use of force"