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mythos
mythos Member (24527posts)
3/2/2009 5:19:00 PM
what was israel's excuse the past 60 years for occupying and stealing palestinian land?

hamas has only been elected for less than 10 years. their first suicide attack was less than 15 years ago.

what about all those other years when israel was expanding the illegal settlements and not allowing palestinians self determination?

belibra is a bad person.

coconut_monkee
coconut_monkee Member (21776posts)
3/2/2009 5:22:00 PM
idf?

mythos
mythos Member (24527posts)
3/2/2009 11:33:00 PM

Belibra
Belibra Member (365posts)
3/3/2009 2:56:00 PM
Lies again mythos. Israel bought the land that had owners. Settlements are not illegal. If Palestinians wanted peace for real, they could have made it. But you support the no-peace people with your assertions. The Palis didn't make peace when they could have plain and simple. Why is is ok for Palis' to live amongst Israelis and to build homes there but not vice versa? Because of their Jew hatred and their lack of real committment to peace.

Yes before Hamas there were and are many other terrorists thank you for pointiing that out.

And you as well you little coward, you will please stop the name calling of me as you hide behind your PC.


mythos
mythos Member (24527posts)
3/3/2009 10:18:00 PM
you're a bad person. you keep lying.

the settlements are illegal.

Belibra
Belibra Member (365posts)
3/4/2009 6:27:00 PM
No the are not. T

he land is disputed. Some of the areas were captured by Jordan in their attack on Israel in 1949, in which they were successful in taking land from the Jews in the Jerusalem area as well as the recently discussed Efrat area. This land was taken back by Israel, during the 1967.

So your wrong on calling these towns illegal. But that is what you do, you repeat lies and demonization of Jews for years and years and no one calls you on it.

You are very successful at your devious lies that much I will grant.

You exist only to promote Jew hatred and demonization through your lies.

You are not only inhuman, you are a coward, hiding behind your PC, just as your brothers the terrorists do in Gaza and everywhere else.

_sketchy_
_sketchy_ Member (12691posts)
3/4/2009 6:45:00 PM
Whoever supports land grabbing and ethnic cleansing is the real savage here heart















Gaza-Trapped by Violence

3 March 2009: The United Nations Humanitarian Coordinator for Gaza called yesterday for the opening of all crossings into the territory and increases in both the quantities and types of commodities allowed said in a field update.

Among the items critically needed are spare parts and fuel for the power plant, supplies for hospitals and water and sewage treatment facilities. A constant influx of cash is also needed to reactivate the private sector and prevent increasing dependence on aid.

Other supplies needed include:
• agricultural materials (farming families make up some 27 per cent of the Gaza population)
• construction materials, including cement, iron bars and pipes, for water supply and road rehabilitation

Read the 3 March 2009 oPt Gaza situation report for more.

Other UN organizations are also expressing concern about the pressing need for reconstruction activities. According to a report from United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) a total of 2,350 family homes need to be rebuilt, 500 homes need major repair; and 10,000 need minor repair. UNICEF, the United Nations’ Children’s Fund, remains concerned that the nutritional status and general health of children in Gaza is likely to deteriorate, given the dependency of Gazan families on food aid and cash assistance, as well as the lack of access to clean tap water.


** UN (OCHA) http://ochaonline.un.org/...nguage/en-US/Default.aspx

selezneva
selezneva Member (2283posts)
3/4/2009 8:46:00 PM
Belibra, don't bother. Seriously. Who cares what people here on clubvibes think anyways. It's not like a bunch of righteous cyber soldiers' opinions are going to matter.

_sketchy_
_sketchy_ Member (12691posts)
3/5/2009 1:11:00 PM
Belibra, don't bother. Seriously. Who cares what people here on clubvibes think anyways. It's not like a bunch of righteous cyber soldiers' opinions are going to matter.

Exactly Belibra, might is right. As long as Israel has those F-16s, tanks, and attack helicopters who cares about human rights heart

mythos
mythos Member (24527posts)
3/5/2009 3:28:00 PM
The land is disputed

israel is the only country which, conveniently, disputes that the settlements are illegal. the rest of the world, including all the resolutions put forwards clearly state that the settlements are illegal.

i'm sure at some point, nazi germany claimed what they were doing was legal. same goes with apartheid south africa.

you're a bad person for not being able to look past your selfish tribal ideals and accept that israel commits wrong doings.



Belibra
Belibra Member (365posts)
3/5/2009 4:36:00 PM
No. Mythos is a bad person for being an Iranian proxy terorists and for promoting hate on the internet for nearly a decade now,

Mythos is the coward.

They love the Nazi's these Iranian proxy terrorists, on this site and elsewhere. Absolutely love bringing them up whenever they can. Never a few days go by without them shooting that one.

More lies put forth by the above coward, who will not stop the name calling because someone, one person in the world, does not agree with his hate mongereing.

He changes every fact to fit his hate mongering needs.

That the land was Israel's before she was attacked by Jordan he ignores. Never happened. So Israel took back land that was hers. That Arabs from East Jerusalem also build homes and communities is ignored. Like no one is supposed to create new communities! If the land was bought, why is it illegal to build a home on it? That the land was taken illegally by Jordan prior to Israel is ignored.

What the Arab side uses the new communities issue for is to avoid peace. Their agents such as Mythos, Sketchy, and their others play this up for them. To demonize Jews and promote Jew Hatred, world wide. In this they have been very successful. World wide attacks on Jews is higher than ever. Thanks peaceful muslims!
Yes Iranians representatives, let the border crossing open for more Iranian missles to be sent in, so that the Hamas soldiers, the brave soldiers can fire more rockets on civilains, from Arabs schools. to Israeli schools. How nice of you to support that.




mythos
mythos Member (24527posts)
3/6/2009 1:11:00 PM
They love the Nazi's these Iranian proxy terrorists, on this site and elsewhere.

lol.

can't handle and acknowledge the truth that israel violates palestinian's human rights? fine.

but please, stop with the drivel about anti-semitism and all of this being their fault. no intelligent person with an ounce of knowledge about the area will buy it.

israel is the bully both militarily and politically. that's the bottom line.

Belibra
Belibra Member (365posts)
3/6/2009 1:47:00 PM
I really thought at one time that you had some intelligence mythos but I see now that you have none. Your thinking process is confused and demented of a 2 year old. But always your blind hatred is shining through. You have no knowledge and intelligent thinking.

Can't handle what, that this is the reality of what you and the others post week in and week out.

Are you all denying that you post references to nazis' on a regular basis?

People are able to think for themselves and not as you do check what Google has to say on an issue.

I am merely pointing out what it is you and your other cowards do week in and week out for almost 10 years now on this web site.
The bully is Iran and the other Arab terrorists whose plan is the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people, indeed that is what the Iranian Mullahs have stated as a necessity for the coming of their messiah, i.e. the removal of the infidels. They have stated this very clearly in public speeches.

That Israel takes these threats seriously and not as rhetoric is her obligation to so do.

Look how they obscure the Palestinans and hamas terrorism for all of these years, their suicide bombers and their sending of rockets to civilians schools, from civilians schools.

To advance the cause of peace, we need to remove the infantile nonsense of the mythoses of the world. What they attempt to do is obscure the important issues.

They jump from one thing to the next always promoting their lies.

the bully is the 275 million Musims who are led by their own internal nonsense of a tribal and sectarian wars united by the extremists in their quest for the complete destruction of Israel.

Anyone who can think for themselves should not be misled by this mythods and his Jew Hatred promotion plans.

mythos
mythos Member (24527posts)
3/6/2009 2:44:00 PM
you know... after all that typing, the truth still stands:

israel violates human rights and international law with their occupation and the illegal settlements.


Belibra
Belibra Member (365posts)
3/7/2009 4:47:00 PM
You just will not allow your mind to think.

It is not an occupation. It is land that was supposed to be Israel's that she recaptured after being attacked in 1967. So it is not an occupation. It is a dispurte and international law is important distinction.

Human rights. They have had more Human rights in these areas than any other Arab country.Talk about Jordan the neighbor to the east and no one has rights there except for the Hashemite Beduions.

Same is true in most Arab states.

So Human rights even now they have more of.

Yes there has been less of that because of the terrorists actions and the need of Israel to defend itself. But if the land was Israel's before they were attacked by the Arab nations in 1948, I don't see how it is illegal for the Israelis to live there after 1967 war. And furthermore, it is about the time the Arabs learnt to stop hating Jews so much at the mere site of them.So what the land was vacant anyway. This Efrat for example that was just discussed, it's all vacant all around it. I have been there this past Oct.

But all of your lies, are still no excuse why they could not make peace in all of this time. The settlements in toto are not illgal. Some of them are/were and have been dismantled over the years.

Nor did I ever sat I supported settlements. I just don't see them as a reason to make a world wide attacks on Jews, as you continue to promote.

TripodXP
TripodXP Member (1555posts)
3/8/2009 3:37:00 PM
Do the west bank and gaza belong to israel in the same way that indian reserves belong to canada?

I was under the impression that the area was split up into a jewish state with arab territories.

Is this incorrect?

_sketchy_
_sketchy_ Member (12691posts)
3/10/2009 11:48:00 AM
Human rights investigators say Israeli forces engaged in "wanton destruction" of Palestinian homes during the recent conflict in Gaza.

Amnesty International has told the BBC News website the methods used raised concerns about war crimes.

Israel's military said buildings were destroyed because of military "operational needs".

The Israeli Defense Forces said they operated in accordance with international law during the conflict.

However, the use of mines to destroy homes contradicted this claim, the head of the Amnesty International fact-finding mission to southern Israel and Gaza, Donatella Rovera, has argued.


The IDF emphasises that the terrorist organisation, Hamas, and its infrastructure were the target of Operation Cast Lead, and not the civilian population in Gaza
Israeli military statement

Israeli troops had to leave their vehicles to plant the mines, indicating that they faced no danger and that there was no military or operational justification, she said.

Breaking the Silence, an Israeli group that gathers and circulates the testimonies of Israeli soldiers, has also told the BBC News website that its findings from the Gaza war suggested many demolitions had been carried out when there was no immediate threat.

"From the testimonies that we've gathered, lots of demolitions - buildings demolished either by bulldozers or explosives - were done after the area was under Israeli control," said Yehuda Shaul, one of the group's members.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7926413.stm

Belibra
Belibra Member (365posts)
3/10/2009 4:46:00 PM
Whatever happened there it has to be remembered that the Hamas terrorists were shooting Katyusha and Grad rockets onto civilains for many years, Israel decided to finally stand up for itself and its civilains whilst Hamas continues to send rockets from their own civilian centers.

I dont think anyone expected that not one casulty would be in the situation but there is a tremendous amount of Hamas lies and misinformation that they spread regardless of if the BBC reports something.

mythos
mythos Member (24527posts)
3/12/2009 12:16:00 PM
belibra continues to make excuses for israel's killing of civilians, the systematic annexation (stealing) of palestinian land and their refusal to allow a palestinian state.

Crosshairs
Crosshairs Member (525posts)
3/12/2009 1:27:00 PM
Sketchy

Amnesty International also condemned Hamas for their acts during the Gaza invasion. Or did you miss that?

I need to take you people to school.

Forward Reasoning: Inductive Logic : Make a theory then find the facts to support it.
Backward Reasoning: Deductive Logic: Find the facts, then see what theory is dictated by the facts.

You use alot of inductive reasoning here. Inductive reasoning can be used to connect the number of storks overhead with birth rates. It was used by Hitler to prove that Jews controlled the banks. It is used liberally in threads like these to support what I suspect is a long indoctrination into anti Semitism, disguised as reasoned legal discussion. And it is used in Israel to support a Zionist vision of the state.

A little more deductive logic would go a long way.

Belibra
Belibra Member (365posts)
3/14/2009 7:23:00 AM
mytrhos continues to blame and demonize Israel and Jews for the Arabs refusal to stop their war on Israel. And he continues to promote lies about the land itself which was never accepted by the Arab sides when originally allocated to them. Because they wanted to destroy Israel. Something that he continues to promote in his continuing lies and ignorance of the Arab terrorists aims and actions. Something he infact continues to promote.

Instead of protesting for peace, he continues to push the demonization of Israel to fullfill his aims of killing of Jews, only then he is happy.

he wants Israel to lie down and take rockets attacks and do nothing.

I would like to see people coming together instead of the constant attacking of one side or the other.

Unfortunately this person never learns anything in over 10 years of attacks on Israel from this web site alone.

In a way I am glad that he does this for over 10 years, as it shows the sickness of a demented hate promoter.

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