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londonkev
londonkev Member (8774posts)
2/5/2007 6:08:00 AM
i would be worried about it if it wasnt for the fact that its a load of crap. heart

londonkev
londonkev Member (8774posts)
2/5/2007 6:28:00 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/n...8,CST-EDT-STEYN04.article

ps that is an opinion piece writen by a clever observer; however, i can also find plenty of technical articles which if not totally debunking global warming certainly shed serious doubt on man's impact on this bogus 'climate change'. heart

Whitewashed
Whitewashed Member (795posts)
2/5/2007 8:15:00 AM
as for global warming, or....what are they calling it now - "climate change"? - i got into a big discussion with my parents about it yesterday. i've been weirded out by the bizarre weather for a while, but....yeah, how does a single person change an entire culture's way of thinking?

It's now being referred to as climate change, because (if you choose to believe it), it seems that it's not just overall temperature increasing, but cold regions getting colder and warm regions getting warmer... just fuxcked up temps all around, actually.

i would be worried about it if it wasnt for the fact that its a load of crap.
With that kind of mentality; the most we can do is merely HOPE that you're right. At the worst, our unwillingness to take action for something that's happening in front of us (whether or not we're actually responsible) will come around and bite us in the ass.

Is it really that bad of a thing to just perhaps give the world the benefit of the doubt that we're really ****ing it up?

breaks
breaks Member (2345posts)
2/5/2007 8:21:00 AM
how about stop sucking all the natural insulation out of the planet????

think about that one.

tekkamaki
tekkamaki Raver (13790posts)
2/5/2007 9:28:00 AM
kev.... denying global warming almost gives us an excuse to keep on over consuming because it removes our responsibility to care for this planet. whether or not climate change is caused by humans is just the icing on the cake. we CAN NOT go on consuming at the rate we are. the earth just can not withstand our out of control greed that is not even conducive to our survival. denying our responsibility is just propoganda imo, to get us to keep buying and consuming and feeding capitalism.

londonkev
londonkev Member (8774posts)
2/5/2007 10:01:00 AM
^LOL

So Global Warming is the only reason we should care for the planet? What about traditional environmental concerns like clean air and water? If you are worried about CO2 emissions than I might suggest killing yourself.

about me: i don't own a car, i take public transport, i live in a small apartment, i walk where I can, I switch off the lights when I leave the room. but i really don't like being preached to by losers like Al Gore who parade around the country in jets and SUV convoys to preach to me about a fake issue like 'Climate Change'. give it a rest.

Cheers heart

Spiderwoman
Spiderwoman Member (54106posts)
2/5/2007 10:10:00 AM
I think that the next time I go shopping for clothes I will go buy vintage stuff not new stuff.

I recycle everything and try to buy products that don't have packaging.

When I shop for vegetables I won't put them in the teeny plastic baggies unless I'm buying something like parsley / cilantro and it will get squished and go everywhere.
I don't buy garbage bags... I just reuse the grocery bags.

I'm very careful in general to only only buy things that I am completely out of.
I REALLY hate it when you want to get something fixed... but getting it fixed costs nearly as much as a new item.
I seriously think that this is contributing to unnecessary junk in land fills.

I'm also going to start using homemade cleaners -- things made with baking soda, vinegar etc.... instead of windex, pine sol etc...

I have slight hippie tendencies. One of the more interesting groups is The Workless Party.
Incidentally... they throw good parties.


Spiderwoman
Spiderwoman Member (54106posts)
2/5/2007 10:14:00 AM
Tantalus... I don't think that her turning off the show was an ostrich thing.

She obviously got the message and is doing something about it.

What's the point of sitting in front of the tv and having a panic attack?

Besides, she was saving electricity by turning it off.

mythos
mythos Member (24527posts)
2/5/2007 10:19:00 AM
serious doubt on man's impact on this bogus 'climate change'.

aaaaand there you have it.

londonkev the conspiracy theorist.

it's time to admit kev.

Chaos
Chaos Member (8950posts)
2/5/2007 10:39:00 AM
ps that is an opinion piece writen by a clever observer; however, i can also find plenty of technical articles which if not totally debunking global warming certainly shed serious doubt on man's impact on this bogus 'climate change'.

I’m willing to bet not a single article you could find, or at least would be willing to post, would be published in any accredited scientific journal or be supported by the scientific community on the whole.

Fact is I’m even more willing to bet you’re making money off the industrial sector in some manner. I’d say you’re a corporate sleaze merchant that has interests that flow against keeping our planet healthy. It’s like a body, if you keep sucking the blood out of it eventually it will die, or slow down until it’s blood regenerates. Kevboy is just one of the vampires that thrives off of human misery. Good job you nazi. Are you still trying to stop those that make less than a 100k from voting? Your opinion on matters that effect us all mean fgck all to me and shouldn't mean anything to any logic minded person that reads your drivel either.

Bassfreak
Bassfreak Promo Model (15712posts)
2/5/2007 11:07:00 AM
Lets try this rudimentary philosophy for a sec.

We, as a continent decide to use less energy. Turn off lights, fly less, don't idle for hours, bus, walk, bike, maybe use ethanol from homegrown sources etc etc.

Adhering to simple supply and demand, prices for oil come down.

China, India, Korea etc benefit from the lower prices, which they in turn use more of for their consumption and manufacturing etc,

Prices on their exports to North America come down, as the energy costs to produce the exports and ship the exports have been reduced. We get great deals on doohickies that we MUST HAVE and they are so damn cheap!

Net? Price of oil comes back to equilibrium, consumption of energy on the whole is unchanged.

Around and around we go, where it stops, nobody knows....

jimmy
jimmy Member (2126posts)
2/5/2007 12:57:00 PM
^ It stops when we finally get the political foresight to chose and implement a non-polluting, renewable energy infrastructure. As a matter of chemistry, hydrogen-based systems are in fact *less* efficient than their fossil-burning counterparts, yet they enjoy at least three huge advantages:

1)Environmental.
2)Less reliance on unstable countries (that 400B for Iraq was a fcuking bitter pill, no matter what your political affiliation)
3)The impending dry-up of the worlds oil supplies.

#3 should especially be an incentive. Other countries will eventually need such technology. It's quite simply an economic inevitability.

At this point however, the private sector is obviously ill-equipped to invest in such long-term and capital-heavy challenge. As unpopular as it may be, government needs to take the lead on this one.

Yeah, this post was somewhat tangential... but North Americans are innovators and this is a tremendous opportunity for us, the way I see it.

here_comes_your_man
here_comes_your_man Member (616posts)
2/5/2007 1:40:00 PM
Doesnt the Chicago times support Bush and his war of terror? Of course they are going to share his viewpoint. The Democratic chairman of a House panel examining the government's response to climate change said Tuesday there is evidence that senior Bush administration officials sought repeatedly "to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming." Bush is basically doing to the world what he did to new Orleans.

Chaos
Chaos Member (8950posts)
2/5/2007 1:45:00 PM
Bush is a Patsy. The oil companies are the ones who want us to keep talking about it while nothing gets done. They can only profit off of throwing reasonable doubt into the mix and prolonging any control methods being instituted. It worked for OJ.

Bassfreak
Bassfreak Promo Model (15712posts)
2/5/2007 1:52:00 PM
Its funny that the oil companies are making money hand over fist and have the capacity to make a REAL run alternative enery.

Not the token research money they toss out like loose change.

I agree with Jimmy. The opportunity for innovation is there for the taking.

The Japanese automakers were 5 year ahead of the big three in Hybrid technology. It has only snow balled from there.

Brazil has declared enery independence from the rest of world running on sugar cane based ethanol. They run all their new cars on E85.

Not that ethanol is the answer, but it takes unstable supply (mid east oil) out of the equation and reduces the demand for oil across the board. (Sorry Alberta).

I could see Saskatchewan and Manitoba becoming the Next Alberta as the Canadian breadwinners growing soybeans, canola, corn etc for Ethanol while we scramble for better alternatives.

_sketchy_
_sketchy_ Member (12691posts)
2/5/2007 2:25:00 PM

Look at it from the bright side. If there's a nuclear apocalypse then most of us will be dead and we won't be polluting the earth anymore smile































The earth will start healing itself and we'll all go back to living like the tribes we started with heart

tekkamaki
tekkamaki Raver (13790posts)
2/5/2007 2:44:00 PM
kev, did i personally attack you at all in my post? a little harsh of a response don't you think?

i'm just saying that to the average person... global warming is THE environmental issue, and when we deny our involvement in that, people will find it easier to turn a blind eye to the effects of our own behaviour on sustainability.

that, and i don't believe it is a hoax.

thanks for the suicide suggestion though heart

tekkamaki
tekkamaki Raver (13790posts)
2/5/2007 3:01:00 PM
don't you think its a good thing that so many people are talking about environmentalism right now as a result?? i do.

DickSS
DickSS Promo Model (16767posts)
2/5/2007 3:03:00 PM
don't you ever get the feeling that there are far more important things to worry about other than the weather?

Shango
Shango DJ/Artist (6358posts)
2/5/2007 3:04:00 PM
I highly recommend that anyone who is interested in this topic read George Monbiot's book, "Heat".

http://www.turnuptheheat.org/?page_id=7

I too was a little skeptical about global warming and the science behind it after hearing numerous "reputible" scientists and websites showing stats that showed contradictions. Heat lays most of these claims to rest (discussing and researching at length the denial industry) and shows us how we reduce carbon through practical means. I really like the idea of carbon rations as a new world currency. Although I can't see it happening in our lifetimes unless something major happens...

Shango
Shango DJ/Artist (6358posts)
2/5/2007 3:05:00 PM
For all of you conspiracy theorists out there, you should know that the main "scientific body" that has been arguing against global warming (and giving papers like the Chicago Times statistics) is the same body that is still claiming that smoking does not increase the likelihood of cancer. Sounds like a pretty reputible source... Anyone see "Thank you For Smoking"?

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