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_sketchy_ Member	5/2/2007 11:04:00 AM Last Updated: Wednesday, 19 April 2006, 00:03 GMT 01:03 UK China 'selling prisoners' organs' By Jill McGivering BBC News Top British transplant surgeons have accused China of harvesting the organs of thousands of executed prisoners every year to sell for transplants. In a statement, the British Transplantation Society condemned the practice as unacceptable and a breach of human rights. The move comes less than a week after Chinese officials publicly denied the practice took place. ** BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...asia-pacific/4921116.stm)

_sketchy_ Member	5/2/2007 11:08:00 AM I mean if I were atheist, I would say humans and their organs are just molecules so why not make a profit? I'm just exchanging human molecules for money molecules
TripodXP Member	5/2/2007 11:12:00 AM Ur being sarcastic right?
_sketchy_ Member	5/2/2007 11:18:00 AM Why don't you ask stillwater. He agrees we are all just molecules. He's an atheist.
_sketchy_ Member	5/2/2007 1:40:00 PM And don't kid yourself either. These poor prisoners could be normal people... Religious persons even, whose only crime was to have a faith... While in our pluralistic society, having a religion is no crime. In this harsh atheist state, a religion is a crime. So technically we could be buying the organs of a Christian, a Muslim, Buddhist, etc. Trials involving capital offenses sometimes took place under circumstances involving severe lack of due process and with no meaningful appeal. Executions often took place on the day of conviction or appeal. For example, on international antidrug day, June 26, dozens of prisoners were executed, many within hours of their trial and conviction. In Xinjiang, executions of Uighurs accused by authorities of separatism, which some observers claimed were politically motivated, were reported (see Section 5). The Government regarded the number of death sentences it carried out as a state secret. However, in March, a National People's Congress deputy asserted that nearly 10,000 cases per year "result in immediate execution." The statement sparked calls for reform, including returning the power to issue death sentences from provincial courts to the Supreme People's Court (SPC) and eliminating the death penalty for economic and other nonviolent crimes. Nonetheless, media reports stated that approximately 10 percent of executions were for economic crimes, especially corruption. SPC and Ministry of Justice officials stated that the 10,000 executions per year figure is exaggerated. Amnesty International (AI) reported that China executed more persons than any other country. Some foreign academics estimated that as many as 10,000 to 20,000 persons are executed each year. ** US Department of State report on Human Rights in the atheist state of China
_sketchy_ Member	5/2/2007 1:47:00 PM I wish my buddy stillwater came and explained this to me..... Last time I discussed atheist atrocities with him, he said 20 million people killed in the Gulags by the harsh atheist state of the Soviet Union had no link to religion or something like that
_sketchy_ Member	5/2/2007 1:49:00 PM Now 20,000 are executed every year in the harsh atheist state of China, and I can't find an answer without implicating atheism
Jason Member	5/3/2007 8:43:00 AM Don't be a dolt. China doesn't represent atheism. Your lemming-like determination to stand by this wayward point of view is getting very tired. Thanks, that's all.
_sketchy_ Member	5/3/2007 8:58:00 AM China IS an atheist state and I think it portrays very nicely what can happen when absolute power mixes with atheism. And it's not just one example..... The Soviet Union was no bed of roses either
old_red_dot Member	5/3/2007 9:09:00 AM quote: Now 20,000 are executed every year in the harsh atheist state of China, and I can't find an answer without implicating atheism then you're not looking hard enough.
_sketchy_ Member	5/3/2007 11:11:00 AM Religious people get beaten to death, executed and organs sold to the highest bidder by an atheist state in the present... Religious people were beaten to death, executed, or put into slavery by an atheist state in the past... Where should I be looking?
old_red_dot Member	5/3/2007 11:42:00 AM maybe at the non-religious people who suffer the same fate at the hands of the "atheist" state. then again, if you did that, your thesis that the ultimate goal of atheism/secularism is to eradicate the earth of religion would crumble. quote: So technically we could be buying the organs of a Christian, a Muslim, Buddhist, etc. we could equally be buying the organs of pro-democracy dissidents... technically.
_sketchy_ Member	5/3/2007 7:24:00 PM your thesis that the ultimate goal of atheism/secularism is to eradicate the earth of religion would crumble. ========== Religion is the opium of the masses ** Karl Marx (atheist and founder of one the most influential political ideologies of the 20th century)
old_red_dot Member	5/3/2007 8:36:00 PM if some atheists are marxists and all marxists are atheists, then all atheists must be marxists, right? do yourself a favour and stay away from iq tests.
_sketchy_ Member	5/4/2007 8:21:00 AM if some atheists are marxists and all marxists are atheists, then all atheists must be marxists, right? do yourself a favour and stay away from iq tests. I think you're missing the point buddy... If an atheist, whether he is Marxist or not, makes such an absolute, wide-ranging, demonizing statement about religion then..... Shouldn't religious people worry? And this worry was turned into a hellish reality with the rise of the atheist Soviet Union and the rise of the Chinese atheist state... You need to let go of that "atheist can do no wrong" mentality already buddy... Your prejudice is flaring up there.... Frankly it is a bit disconcerting, especially for a professional who takes pride in defending people from a difference background than himself
old_red_dot Member	5/4/2007 9:00:00 AM quote: If an atheist, whether he is Marxist or not, makes such an absolute, wide-ranging, demonizing statement about religion then. calling religion "the opium of the masses" amounts to "demonizing" religious beliefs? here's an exercise for you. try looking up the words "criticize" and "demonize" in pretty much any dictionary. quote: You need to let go of that "atheist can do no wrong" mentality already buddy remind me where i said atheists could do no wrong again. buddy? bueller? anyone?
DickSS Promo Model	5/4/2007 10:55:00 AM you and the idiot skecthy are ideological soulmates, red_dot why don't you two kiss and make-up already
_sketchy_ Member	5/4/2007 11:31:00 AM calling religion "the opium of the masses" amounts to "demonizing" religious beliefs? here's an exercise for you. try looking up the words "criticize" and "demonize" in pretty much any dictionary. LOL, I knew you would say that with your apologetic bias for atheism so here is the rest of the sentence in context Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions. ** Karl Marx The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. Apparently religion prevents people from happiness and thus must be abolished. That is not CRITICISM dear sir that is a straight up call for ELIMINATION You have just condoned the words of an extremist... Congratulations red_dot
_sketchy_ Member	5/4/2007 11:34:00 AM This is exactly WHY the Soviet Union had and China has such criminal, murderous treatment of religious people... and this is exactly WHY most atheists see religion as an absolute evil
TripodXP Member	5/4/2007 11:38:00 AM Its so black and white how did i never see this before?
old_red_dot Member	5/4/2007 11:46:00 AM i know. i had no idea my secularism made me a marxist by default until sketchy's infallible and dickss-like logic made it so plain. nevertheless, it is comical that he seems intent on confusing a lack of respect for the belief systems of religious people with a lack of respect for their right to those beliefs, based on little more than a passage from the communist manifesto, a book published published over 150 years ago and devoid of virtually any credibility anywhere in the world any more.