Economic Stimulus Checks
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WhyTrip
WhyTrip Member (8543posts)
2/9/2008 2:51:00 PM
"Economic Stimulus checks will begin to go out in May. The package, which passed the Senate 81-16, will send rebate checks to 130 million Americans in amounts of $300 to $600 for people who have an income between $3,000 and $75,000, plus $300 per child. Couples earning up to $150,000 would get $1,200. When you ask people what they will do with the money, they often say they will pay off their credit card bills," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York. "People may mean it when they say it, but when you look at what they actually do, most of the money gets spent."


What are you going to do with yours?



oddio
oddio Member (6350posts)
2/9/2008 5:57:00 PM
I'm going to save it, or put to towards musical gear. The thing I don't get about this is why do people who have children get additional money. Just because you don't have children doesn't mean that you don't put money back into the economy. It just goes to different things instead of what most people with children would spend it on.


jew_dont_know
jew_dont_know Moderator (26888posts)
2/9/2008 5:58:00 PM
i'm gonna buy some stuff direct from Hong Kong

celo4life
celo4life Administrator (11478posts)
2/10/2008 10:45:00 AM
^ isn't that what we do anyways?

chimbuk
chimbuk Member (10860posts)
2/10/2008 1:28:00 PM
Economic Stimulus checks are a joke.
how is this stimulating the economy. spend more?
over-extending ourselves is what got us here where we are today.

instead of making changes to get us out of this environment they are just delaying it.
short term short term. is all they think about

its like giving a dehydrated person in the desert a cup of water.

are we really gonna be better a year from today because of this "$600" ?


p.s. i will use my $ to buy my ticket to Vietnam this summer smile



chimbuk
chimbuk Member (10860posts)
2/10/2008 1:37:00 PM
quote:
I'm going to save it, or put to towards musical gear. The thing I don't get about this is why do people who have children get additional money. Just because you don't have children doesn't mean that you don't put money back into the economy. It just goes to different things instead of what most people with children would spend it on.


because they purchase more goods/services
ie. having a baby in the first year alone is over $1000 in diapers & formula

jew_dont_know
jew_dont_know Moderator (26888posts)
2/10/2008 2:38:00 PM
^ isn't that what we do anyways?
yep

so let me get this straight ..... we borrow money from china to "stimulate" the economy, then we all buy goods that are made there?

i'm with you Vu

this is retarded

plus my uncle said the last stimulus check ended up never coming and was part of some tax break.

blank stare @ this topic

WhyTrip
WhyTrip Member (8543posts)
2/10/2008 3:33:00 PM
Uhmmm...the govn't is giving us $. Be happy.

grandmasteroffunk
grandmasteroffunk Staff (2948posts)
2/10/2008 3:42:00 PM
Actually, it's more of a loan against your 2008 return. You have to report this as income. The only money the government is giving us is our own, unless you make little enough to not pay taxes, yet get this money anyway.

I'm putting mine in a hight-interest savings account until next year.

oddio
oddio Member (6350posts)
2/10/2008 3:49:00 PM
because they purchase more goods/services
ie. having a baby in the first year alone is over $1000 in diapers & formula


I don't get it, so are you saying that two different families, one with children and one without children, and both families' combined household incomes are $60,000.00, the family with children spends more than the family without children?

I don't agree, if both families have the same total income, the only difference is instead of buying diapers and formula, they spend it on other things, even if they don't spend it and they choose to save their money it still goes toward the economy in some way, shape or form, whether it be in the form of investments i.e. stocks, bonds, real estate, mutual funds, venture capital, or private business.

The only difference is how the money ends up with any given business, but either way it still contributes toward the economy. Instead of buying products from "said" compay the money goes toward that companies total revenue generated.

The only exception I can think of is if you are storing your money in a matress, but really how many people do that anymore?





oddio
oddio Member (6350posts)
2/10/2008 3:53:00 PM
^^You can open a stock account that will generally yield a higher rate of interest than most high interest passbook savings accounts.

Even if you don't pick any specific stocks the account itself will provide you with a higher interest rate, and you don't have to pay capital gains if you don't buy any stocks.





jew_dont_know
jew_dont_know Moderator (26888posts)
2/10/2008 4:27:00 PM
Uhmmm...the govn't is giving us $. Be happy.

bullsh!t proposal

Collegeguy509
Collegeguy509 Nightlife Industry (5182posts)
2/11/2008 9:26:00 AM
Dwight... where does it say we have to claim the 3-600 for 08 tax's i want to disagree with you but want to check your source's 1st...

DillPickel
DillPickel Nightlife Industry (21832posts)
2/11/2008 11:10:00 AM
I too was under the impression you wont be taxed on a rebate check. I have not been able to find conclusive evidence either way tho.

Vu I here what your saying but you have a good job and live at home. You have plenty of extra $$ to spend on high tech camera's and trips every weekend, not everyone has extra $$ to spend like that.

These checks will fuel a capitalistic society where spending $$ is key to its financial success. (in theory anyways)

grandmasteroffunk
grandmasteroffunk Staff (2948posts)
2/11/2008 11:11:00 AM
http://www.whitehouse.gov...s/2008/01/20080124-4.html Straight from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

In 2008, taxes would be cut from 10 percent to zero percent on the first $6,000 dollars of taxable income for individual taxpayers and the first $12,000 of taxable income for couples.

Analysis: http://articles.moneycent...eDetailsOnTaxRebates.aspx

To produce this cash, Congress created a one-time tax credit to reduce taxable income for most taxpayers this year.

Normally, you wouldn't see that cash until the spring of 2009, when you filed your 2008 return. But Congress wants to speed that money to you now, so checks will start going out in May.

Remember, this is your money you're getting back, and the rebate checks are basically an advance on your 2009 refund. When similar rebates were sent out in 2001, said tax expert Mark Luscombe, "a lot of people were upset to see their (next) refund reduced."


It's an advance on your 2009 refund. Or if you're like me, and don't get much of a refund because you don't like giving the government an interest-free loan, a nice big kick in the ass.

Which is why it's going to sit untouched gathering interest somewhere until I have to give it back next year.

DillPickel
DillPickel Nightlife Industry (21832posts)
2/11/2008 11:21:00 AM
^^your still reading it wrong dude or i'm miss understanding what your trying to say.

They are cutting your taxes to give you this money.

Instead of getting that extra $600 for a refund in 2009, your getting it early. A persons 2009 refund is not going to be $600 less then it normally would be.

Your not going to get taxed on this $$, just like your not taxed on your normal income tax return.

edit: wow u've added a lot more lol

DillPickel
DillPickel Nightlife Industry (21832posts)
2/11/2008 11:45:00 AM
Which is why it's going to sit untouched gathering interest somewhere until I have to give it back next year.
How are you figuring you have to 'give it back'?

grandmasteroffunk
grandmasteroffunk Staff (2948posts)
2/11/2008 11:55:00 AM
I'm not saying the $600 going to be taxed. I'm saying you will have to report it as income on your 2008 taxes, which is how it will effect your refund for next year. But I don't get a refund, because I don't believe in giving the government what essentially amounts to an interest free loan.

My return every year usually breaks even. But with this check, I'm now going to be down $600 bucks. So I'm not going to spend the money, because I know I'm going to need it next April.

Surely you don't think the gov't is giving us this money out of the goodness of their collective hearts?

edit: A persons 2009 refund is not going to be $600 less then it normally would be.

That's EXACTLY what it would be.


DillPickel
DillPickel Nightlife Industry (21832posts)
2/11/2008 12:25:00 PM
Well I'm reading it differently.

In 2008, taxes would be cut from 10 percent to zero percent on the first $6,000 dollars of taxable income....

They are giving us a refund for a tax break, it will not be reported as 2008 income. We will owe them $600 less this year and instead of just changing the amount that comes out of your pay check, they just going to give you a chunk of $$.

Its not free money in the sense that the $600 is going to come out of our paychecks during 2008.

Its NOT an advance on your normal income tax return, which in your case means your not going to owe them $600 next year.

grandmasteroffunk
grandmasteroffunk Staff (2948posts)
2/11/2008 12:45:00 PM
From that link above:

To produce this cash, Congress created a one-time tax credit to reduce taxable income for most taxpayers this year.

Normally, you wouldn't see that cash until the spring of 2009, when you filed your 2008 return. But Congress wants to speed that money to you now, so checks will start going out in May.

Remember, this is your money you're getting back, and the rebate checks are basically an advance on your 2009 refund. When similar rebates were sent out in 2001, said tax expert Mark Luscombe, "a lot of people were upset to see their (next) refund reduced."


Listen, I'd loved to be proved wrong here. But I've talked to people significantly smarter than me about this, and done quite a bit of research, and it's all coming back to the same answer.

This money doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's gotta come from somewhere, unless they're printing 168 billion shiny new one dollar bills, which would be stupid, because doing THAT would devalue the dollar more than it already is.

grandmasteroffunk
grandmasteroffunk Staff (2948posts)
2/11/2008 12:50:00 PM
And when I say "give it back", I mean in the sense that I'm not getting a refund anyway, so I don't have a refund to take an advance from, like the tax expert I quoted suggested.

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